Level 20 is the end of the road or is it? - Guild Wars Forums

a-kyle · Jun 16, 2008, 06:56 PM // 18:56

So I am wondering, i know there are certion advancements after your character reaches level 20, but there are monster s level 20- what 30?
so how does a level 20 manage to fight something like that?

Koricen · Jun 16, 2008, 07:13 PM // 19:13

Use good, synergistic builds. PvE really isn't a challenge no matter the enemies' level.

Tatile · Jun 16, 2008, 07:18 PM // 19:18

Like Koricen said, builds and party make-up are key. A good Curses or Domination build can punish casters and melee characters, while an Elementalist's can take multiple foes at once by either keeping them in place with snares and dropping fire from above, or causing the ground to rend asunder beneath them.

Oh, and minions keeping aggro. Got to love minions.

(A bit glossy and shallow I know, but I'm not exactly excellent at party builds.)

Joseph Leito · Jun 16, 2008, 07:33 PM // 19:33

That, and Burning Arrow Rangers can own large groups of melee fighters, or anything without condition removal.

N1ghtstalker · Jun 16, 2008, 07:42 PM // 19:42

it's the start
lvl 20 opens alot of ways but there's always something to do

**cosyfiep** · Jun 16, 2008, 07:50 PM // 19:50

level 20 is just the beginning....fighting mobs that have higher levels than you is a challenge...(sometimes...for some)....you get to learn your character better, what skills work (and which ones dont

)....its where the game starts.
enjoy!

Accursed · Jun 16, 2008, 08:24 PM // 20:24

It's all about your skillbar and party (heroes, henchmen, and online players).

Dante the Warlord · Jun 16, 2008, 08:58 PM // 20:58

Actually its pretty easy to beat a high level monster... Generally you outnumber them and all level indicates is more health and energy, but high level monsters are 1. stupid and 2. easy to lure out, there isn't a monster that hasn't been beaten, though i wish ANET would make some competition to beat an extrordinarily high level moster...

Taisayacho · Jun 16, 2008, 09:04 PM // 21:04

The difference between human players and monsters is the builds. Monsters = all the same build or builds that barely work together. Humans (in most cases, not PUGs) = build synergy and cooperation. Not as daunting as you'd think :P

MisterT69 · Jun 16, 2008, 09:34 PM // 21:34

Honestly, you're asking how a level 20 char beats a lvl 30 monster. 2 words budday...[ursan blessing] Even shiro can't hold a dagger to this skill

DarkFlame · Jun 16, 2008, 10:39 PM // 22:39

Ursan isn't needed. Players have been creaming lvl20+ mobs for so long that they began demanding a harder mode of play. The key is, for the most part, to work together in a group. Once you come to understand certain mob builds and patrol paths, you can even kill most maxed lvl bosses solo.

dilan155 · Jun 16, 2008, 11:14 PM // 23:14

to those who QQ about ursun please take it a QQ thread this isn't one, on topic your build + synergy can and will beat monsters that are less coordinated(working on a script) and has a skill bar worth %&#$. there are certain mish in HM that can wreack havoc unless you now what to bring, but inhale(in a good way) the air, smell the breeze and experiment.

Damian979 · Jun 17, 2008, 02:09 PM // 14:09

Balanced team builds will beat anything in nm or hm.

Our char's top at lvl 20 but enemies don't have runes/cons to raise thier attributes

imnotyourmother · Jun 17, 2008, 02:33 PM // 14:33

Yeah, I remember before GW:EN and NF trying to complete Prof. We would gather in Hell's furnace and try and setup a balanced team with monks, wars, rangers, an ele and a mes.

Each had a role to play. The ranger would set traps and the war would pull with a bow and then the monks would heal and prot and the ele would let them have it and the mes would blow their minds!!!

Balanced grouping. Even when there were just 2 or 3 members of the party alive to run behind the rocks everyone would wait for res and every one carried a res or some sort. Hard res mostly except the monks. Then with candy canes would come out. Poof no more DP. and start to kill the SAME TARGET!!! Everyone killing one thing means that there will be one less baddie there if we needed to KITE!

Oh those were the days!

Now super skills eliminate the need to play as a cohesive group- Ursan. Just get gwen and ursan and kill everything with hero's. No challenge left. No nead to play as a group or guild in PvE Like the OLD DAYS! No Alliance Needed.

Does anyone play PvE with an Alliance split party anymore? Used to do it all the time in PvE. Does anyone remember these days?

Besides now if one person dies in a group everyone just leaves. Changed game now.

So much so I play almost exclusively in PreSearing.

Doom3221 · Jun 20, 2008, 10:50 PM // 22:50

Only thing you can do is either get a party OR get an extreme solo farm build like solo Underworld or solo Fissure Of Woe =D

X DooM X

poasiods · Jun 21, 2008, 02:01 AM // 02:01

Mostly outnumbering them or good coordination. While most well-snared monsters will take the full hit from Meter Showers, players know to spread out.

Tarun · Jun 21, 2008, 03:28 AM // 03:28

It's the end. And it makes things dreadfully boring...

a-kyle · Jun 21, 2008, 04:18 AM // 04:18

thats what ive been thinking

*Darcy* · Jun 21, 2008, 12:48 PM // 12:48

The fun is in learning how to kill them with the character you are using and your available skills. Prophecies, upon release, had no heroes. Yet thousands upon thousands (if not millions) of players managed to finish that campaign and do the elite missions also.

It takes practice and patience, even heroes and super skills don't guarantee a win.

a-kyle · Jun 21, 2008, 04:52 PM // 16:52

See I see people with there main character solo (no heros and no Ai's) entire areas on youtube and manages to bring vast army's of creatures to there knees in under minute.....

Jun 16, 2008, 06:56 PM // 18:56	#1
a-kyle Krytan Explorer Join Date: Apr 2008 Profession: A/R	Level 20 is the end of the road or is it? So I am wondering, i know there are certion advancements after your character reaches level 20, but there are monster s level 20- what 30? so how does a level 20 manage to fight something like that?

Jun 16, 2008, 07:50 PM // 19:50	#6
cosyfiep are we there yet? Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: in a land far far away Guild: guild? I am supposed to have a guild? Profession: Rt/	level 20 is just the beginning....fighting mobs that have higher levels than you is a challenge...(sometimes...for some)....you get to learn your character better, what skills work (and which ones dont )....its where the game starts. enjoy! __________________ where is the 'all you can eat' cookie bar?

Jun 21, 2008, 02:01 AM // 02:01	#16
poasiods Krytan Explorer Join Date: Apr 2008 Profession: R/	Mostly outnumbering them or good coordination. While most well-snared monsters will take the full hit from Meter Showers, players know to spread out. Last edited by Commander Ryker; Jun 21, 2008 at 02:33 PM // 14:33.. Reason: Removed reference to deleted post

Jun 21, 2008, 12:48 PM // 12:48	#19
Darcy Never Too Old Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Rhode Island where there are no GW contests Guild: Order of First Profession: W/R	The fun is in learning how to kill them with the character you are using and your available skills. Prophecies, upon release, had no heroes. Yet thousands upon thousands (if not millions) of players managed to finish that campaign and do the elite missions also. It takes practice and patience, even heroes and super skills don't guarantee a win. __________________ That's me, the old stick-in-the-mud non-fun moderator. (and non-understanding, also)

Jun 16, 2008, 07:13 PM // 19:13	#2
Koricen Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Apr 2008 Guild: [LoA]	Use good, synergistic builds. PvE really isn't a challenge no matter the enemies' level.

Jun 16, 2008, 07:18 PM // 19:18	#3
Tatile Desert Nomad Join Date: Sep 2007 Guild: Stygian Disciples of Tenebrasus Profession: N/Me	Like Koricen said, builds and party make-up are key. A good Curses or Domination build can punish casters and melee characters, while an Elementalist's can take multiple foes at once by either keeping them in place with snares and dropping fire from above, or causing the ground to rend asunder beneath them. Oh, and minions keeping aggro. Got to love minions. (A bit glossy and shallow I know, but I'm not exactly excellent at party builds.)

Jun 16, 2008, 07:33 PM // 19:33	#4
Joseph Leito Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Jul 2007 Guild: Claw of the Dragon Profession: R/Mo	That, and Burning Arrow Rangers can own large groups of melee fighters, or anything without condition removal.

Jun 16, 2008, 07:42 PM // 19:42	#5
N1ghtstalker Forge Runner Join Date: Dec 2007 Profession: E/	it's the start lvl 20 opens alot of ways but there's always something to do

Jun 16, 2008, 08:24 PM // 20:24	#7
Accursed Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Sep 2007	It's all about your skillbar and party (heroes, henchmen, and online players).

Jun 16, 2008, 08:58 PM // 20:58	#8
Dante the Warlord Desert Nomad Join Date: Jul 2006 Profession: W/R	Actually its pretty easy to beat a high level monster... Generally you outnumber them and all level indicates is more health and energy, but high level monsters are 1. stupid and 2. easy to lure out, there isn't a monster that hasn't been beaten, though i wish ANET would make some competition to beat an extrordinarily high level moster...

Jun 16, 2008, 09:04 PM // 21:04	#9
Taisayacho Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: England (GMT) Guild: The Imperial Guards of Istan [TIGI] Profession: R/	The difference between human players and monsters is the builds. Monsters = all the same build or builds that barely work together. Humans (in most cases, not PUGs) = build synergy and cooperation. Not as daunting as you'd think :P

Jun 16, 2008, 09:34 PM // 21:34	#10
MisterT69 Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: May 2007 Guild: Scions of Carver [SCAR] Profession: E/	Honestly, you're asking how a level 20 char beats a lvl 30 monster. 2 words budday...[ursan blessing] Even shiro can't hold a dagger to this skill

Jun 16, 2008, 10:39 PM // 22:39	#11
DarkFlame Desert Nomad Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Ascalon Profession: E/	Ursan isn't needed. Players have been creaming lvl20+ mobs for so long that they began demanding a harder mode of play. The key is, for the most part, to work together in a group. Once you come to understand certain mob builds and patrol paths, you can even kill most maxed lvl bosses solo.

Jun 16, 2008, 11:14 PM // 23:14	#12
dilan155 Desert Nomad Join Date: May 2007 Location: living room Profession: N/	to those who QQ about ursun please take it a QQ thread this isn't one, on topic your build + synergy can and will beat monsters that are less coordinated(working on a script) and has a skill bar worth %&#$. there are certain mish in HM that can wreack havoc unless you now what to bring, but inhale(in a good way) the air, smell the breeze and experiment.

Jun 17, 2008, 02:09 PM // 14:09	#13
Damian979 Krytan Explorer Join Date: May 2008	Balanced team builds will beat anything in nm or hm. Our char's top at lvl 20 but enemies don't have runes/cons to raise thier attributes

Jun 17, 2008, 02:33 PM // 14:33	#14
imnotyourmother Desert Nomad Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: in a house Guild: The Knitters Guild Profession: W/R	Yeah, I remember before GW:EN and NF trying to complete Prof. We would gather in Hell's furnace and try and setup a balanced team with monks, wars, rangers, an ele and a mes. Each had a role to play. The ranger would set traps and the war would pull with a bow and then the monks would heal and prot and the ele would let them have it and the mes would blow their minds!!! Balanced grouping. Even when there were just 2 or 3 members of the party alive to run behind the rocks everyone would wait for res and every one carried a res or some sort. Hard res mostly except the monks. Then with candy canes would come out. Poof no more DP. and start to kill the SAME TARGET!!! Everyone killing one thing means that there will be one less baddie there if we needed to KITE! Oh those were the days! Now super skills eliminate the need to play as a cohesive group- Ursan. Just get gwen and ursan and kill everything with hero's. No challenge left. No nead to play as a group or guild in PvE Like the OLD DAYS! No Alliance Needed. Does anyone play PvE with an Alliance split party anymore? Used to do it all the time in PvE. Does anyone remember these days? Besides now if one person dies in a group everyone just leaves. Changed game now. So much so I play almost exclusively in PreSearing.

Jun 20, 2008, 10:50 PM // 22:50	#15
Doom3221 Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Apr 2008 Guild: Order Of The Phoenix Dragon [Rage] Profession: Mo/Me	Only thing you can do is either get a party OR get an extreme solo farm build like solo Underworld or solo Fissure Of Woe =D X DooM X

Jun 21, 2008, 03:28 AM // 03:28	#17
Tarun Technician's Corner Moderator Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: The TARDIS Guild: http://www.lunarsoft.net/ http://forums.lunarsoft.net/	It's the end. And it makes things dreadfully boring...

Jun 21, 2008, 04:18 AM // 04:18	#18
a-kyle Krytan Explorer Join Date: Apr 2008 Profession: A/R	thats what ive been thinking

Jun 21, 2008, 04:52 PM // 16:52	#20
a-kyle Krytan Explorer Join Date: Apr 2008 Profession: A/R	See I see people with there main character solo (no heros and no Ai's) entire areas on youtube and manages to bring vast army's of creatures to there knees in under minute.....